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helenawaynehuntress: dccomicconfessions: “I am so sick of people complaining about the New 52. I understand some people are not fans of the art or writing styles but please stop mentioning every time a new issue comes out. Also if you hate it so much, why do you keep reading it?” People keep reading DC’s stuff because DC has a lot of great characters many fans enjoy and/or identify with.  The New 52 has been very hit and miss at best. The reboot had the potential to be something great but sadly went in the wrong direction. It fixed what wasn’t broken, and didn’t fix what actually was. They also made drastic changes to fan-favourite characters, completely benched them, or killed them off in ways that were tasteless. So far the only titles I’ve genuinely enjoyed out of the relaunch where the characters were well-handled with solid characterisation include Supergirl, Batwoman, Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman, Worlds’ Finest, the Huntress miniseries, Batman, and Batman and Robin.  Problems that have prevailed in the New 52, however, ranged from negative attitudes from both editors and creators alike towards character relationships (particularly stating that marriage makes a male character ‘boring’), objectifying female characters and even mass fridging them on the Earth-2 title, over-the-top gratuitous violence, gore, and maiming in a lot of male-oriented books, and even the current PTB at DC have been very disrespectful to fans both in direct and indirect ways.   When you have all of these problems combined, it is bound to piss off fans. Some fans will continue holding out hoping things will eventually get better, and others will just outright drop DC entirely and move on to other things. When you have a current PTB that are incredibly dismissive of fan concerns and on top of that show a lack of respect for their already existing fanbase, it just doesn’t make the company look good in any way.  Bottom line is, as long as these problems continue to prevail, fans will continue to complain.  Fans are consumers.  Consumers have a right to take issue with something when it does not meet with their approval.  In the case of DC’s New 52, there was a promise of a massive reboot and some cool stuff.  What it did, in fact, was destroy a lot of things.  Secret Six?  Gone.  Amanda Waller? The version in the New 52 is pale in comparison to the pre-boot.  Starfire?  Has been relegated to a 2-Dimensional character, possibly even a 1-Dimensional character.  She’s there only for eye candy. The separation of Lois and Clark is only one of several break ups and changes that have taken place.  Where’s Roy Harper’s daughter?  Guess that never happened, then, and it looks like it won’t happen in the new continuity.  A shaky romance between Oliver Queen and Dinah Lance?  Probably never gonna see the light of day.  Carter Hall being married to Shiera?  That’s probably not in the cards because “a man being married is boring”.  The aspect of those relationships are what made the characters interesting in the first place.  Clark Kent is Superman, but he’s also got a glimmer of hope because he has something really awesome to fight for; his wife, Lois who just so happens to be pretty kickass herself.  Fortunately, there is one family still kicking around in the DCnU; Animal Man. I agree with helenawaynehuntress on her picks of the really good titles.  Though, I have to admit never reading Batman and Robin, and I’d also add in Batgirl.  I’ve enjoyed that one. But to be honest, DC’s really dropped the ball when they could have run with it and done some great things. Oh, and also, why the hell did they hire Rob Liefeld?

helenawaynehuntress:

dccomicconfessions:

“I am so sick of people complaining about the New 52. I understand some people are not fans of the art or writing styles but please stop mentioning every time a new issue comes out. Also if you hate it so much, why do you keep reading it?”

People keep reading DC’s stuff because DC has a lot of great characters many fans enjoy and/or identify with. 

The New 52 has been very hit and miss at best. The reboot had the potential to be something great but sadly went in the wrong direction. It fixed what wasn’t broken, and didn’t fix what actually was. They also made drastic changes to fan-favourite characters, completely benched them, or killed them off in ways that were tasteless.

So far the only titles I’ve genuinely enjoyed out of the relaunch where the characters were well-handled with solid characterisation include Supergirl, Batwoman, Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman, Worlds’ Finest, the Huntress miniseries, Batman, and Batman and Robin. 

Problems that have prevailed in the New 52, however, ranged from negative attitudes from both editors and creators alike towards character relationships (particularly stating that marriage makes a male character ‘boring’), objectifying female characters and even mass fridging them on the Earth-2 title, over-the-top gratuitous violence, gore, and maiming in a lot of male-oriented books, and even the current PTB at DC have been very disrespectful to fans both in direct and indirect ways.  

When you have all of these problems combined, it is bound to piss off fans. Some fans will continue holding out hoping things will eventually get better, and others will just outright drop DC entirely and move on to other things. When you have a current PTB that are incredibly dismissive of fan concerns and on top of that show a lack of respect for their already existing fanbase, it just doesn’t make the company look good in any way. 

Bottom line is, as long as these problems continue to prevail, fans will continue to complain. 

Fans are consumers.  Consumers have a right to take issue with something when it does not meet with their approval.  In the case of DC’s New 52, there was a promise of a massive reboot and some cool stuff.  What it did, in fact, was destroy a lot of things.  Secret Six?  Gone.  Amanda Waller? The version in the New 52 is pale in comparison to the pre-boot.  Starfire?  Has been relegated to a 2-Dimensional character, possibly even a 1-Dimensional character.  She’s there only for eye candy.

The separation of Lois and Clark is only one of several break ups and changes that have taken place.  Where’s Roy Harper’s daughter?  Guess that never happened, then, and it looks like it won’t happen in the new continuity.  A shaky romance between Oliver Queen and Dinah Lance?  Probably never gonna see the light of day.  Carter Hall being married to Shiera?  That’s probably not in the cards because “a man being married is boring”.  The aspect of those relationships are what made the characters interesting in the first place.  Clark Kent is Superman, but he’s also got a glimmer of hope because he has something really awesome to fight for; his wife, Lois who just so happens to be pretty kickass herself.  Fortunately, there is one family still kicking around in the DCnU; Animal Man.

I agree with helenawaynehuntress on her picks of the really good titles.  Though, I have to admit never reading Batman and Robin, and I’d also add in Batgirl.  I’ve enjoyed that one.

But to be honest, DC’s really dropped the ball when they could have run with it and done some great things.

Oh, and also, why the hell did they hire Rob Liefeld?

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